Comments on: Copyrights & the Internet http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/ Do you really know your network? Mon, 22 Mar 2010 09:39:25 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: paolog http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-14779 paolog Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:09:19 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-14779 I'm sorry but I found your whitepaper quite disappointing on the Watermarking option. You mention CDs and DVDs, but in the future it will be more and more <b>digital</b> media which people legally buy and download online: ebooks (epub), audio files (aac, mp3), video... The production and distribution chain is then completely in control, and it is perfectly feasible to watermark each file with an ID which identifies the buyer. If this file is then found an P2P, we can assume an infringment has occurred. Yes, smart guys will tweak the files and defeat the watermarks, then new watermarks will be invented. Life is a a cat and mouse game. Copiright owners have to play this game. I’m sorry but I found your whitepaper quite disappointing on the Watermarking option. You mention CDs and DVDs, but in the future it will be more and more digital media which people legally buy and download online: ebooks (epub), audio files (aac, mp3), video… The production and distribution chain is then completely in control, and it is perfectly feasible to watermark each file with an ID which identifies the buyer. If this file is then found an P2P, we can assume an infringment has occurred. Yes, smart guys will tweak the files and defeat the watermarks, then new watermarks will be invented.
Life is a a cat and mouse game. Copiright owners have to play this game.

]]> By: Frank Stummer http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-13132 Frank Stummer Tue, 11 Aug 2009 16:57:28 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-13132 This is a very good article! I read it soon after publication. This is a very good article! I read it soon after publication.

]]> By: Anti-Piracy Measures Don’t Work, Report Shows | TorrentFreak http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-12926 Anti-Piracy Measures Don’t Work, Report Shows | TorrentFreak Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:25:58 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-12926 [...] paper, which claims to “provide an as objective as possible assessment of the countermeasures for [...] [...] paper, which claims to “provide an as objective as possible assessment of the countermeasures for [...]

]]> By: christophe http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6866 christophe Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:24:00 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6866 la culture est un droit pour tous ... sauf pour les pauvres ... la culture est un droit pour tous … sauf pour les pauvres …

]]> By: Frank Stummer http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6865 Frank Stummer Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:59:42 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6865 Indeed, just to detect a transfer of a certain file regardless the circumstances may be not enough to mark it as illegal. On the one hand it depends on the juridical situation in a country. On the other hand: There are several detection systems available which consider the circumstances of a transfer. For instance, active monitoring systems can act as clients downloading well defined copy-right protected material from another client. In such a case this other client is definitely an infringer (at least in most countries). Indeed, just to detect a transfer of a certain file regardless the circumstances may be not enough to mark it as illegal. On the one hand it depends on the juridical situation in a country.

On the other hand: There are several detection systems available which consider the circumstances of a transfer. For instance, active monitoring systems can act as clients downloading well defined copy-right protected material from another client. In such a case this other client is definitely an infringer (at least in most countries).

]]> By: Sébastien Migniot http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6827 Sébastien Migniot Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:12:35 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6827 The hash-based detection technique may not apply for copyright infrigement. When one individual owns a copyrighted media file, he may have the right to use the internet to send it to its phone for instance. So detecting copyrighted material does not inform the detecter of whether the sender and receiver are infrigers or not. A software that acts as a personal \video tape recorder\ for the internet might do the trick : When listening to the radio on the internet one is allowed to record it -in France at least-. So when listening to imeem or jiwa one is allowed to save the streamed sound. Redistribution is illegal. But what if this material is transferred through mail/ftp/peer-to-peer to the *same* user, for instance to its phone. In brief, copying copyrighted material *legally* streamed by an internet media provider is legal, transferring this material using the internet remains legal so detecting copyrighted content is not sufficient for detected copyright infrigement which relies on the way you *first* acquire or steal the content. The demonstrating application may be found at http://streamy.sf.net The hash-based detection technique may not apply for copyright infrigement. When one individual owns a copyrighted media file, he may have the right to use the internet to send it to its phone for instance. So detecting copyrighted material does not inform the detecter of whether the sender and receiver are infrigers or not.

A software that acts as a personal \video tape recorder\ for the internet might do the trick : When listening to the radio on the internet one is allowed to record it -in France at least-. So when listening to imeem or jiwa one is allowed to save the streamed sound. Redistribution is illegal. But what if this material is transferred through mail/ftp/peer-to-peer to the *same* user, for instance to its phone.

In brief, copying copyrighted material *legally* streamed by an internet media provider is legal, transferring this material using the internet remains legal so detecting copyrighted content is not sufficient for detected copyright infrigement which relies on the way you *first* acquire or steal the content.

The demonstrating application may be found at http://streamy.sf.net

]]> By: Frank Stummer http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6791 Frank Stummer Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:02:40 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6791 "The paper, which claims to “provide an as objective as possible assessment of the countermeasures for P2P” initially left us skeptical. But, with one or two exceptions, it does what it claims to do. Other companies and politicians should take note of this." says <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-measures-dont-work-report-shows-090129/" rel="nofollow">TorrentFreak</a> about the paper. For sure, TorrentFreak and we at ipoque have different opinions about many rules, policies, uses in the Internet - but to say that a party has nothing worthy to say for a constructive discussion would be exaggerated - wouldn't it, Steffen? “The paper, which claims to “provide an as objective as possible assessment of the countermeasures for P2P” initially left us skeptical. But, with one or two exceptions, it does what it claims to do. Other companies and politicians should take note of this.” says TorrentFreak about the paper. For sure, TorrentFreak and we at ipoque have different opinions about many rules, policies, uses in the Internet - but to say that a party has nothing worthy to say for a constructive discussion would be exaggerated - wouldn’t it, Steffen?

]]> By: steffen http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6763 steffen Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:41:08 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6763 how credible do you think your whitepaper will be seen as you are selling dpi solutions as well? not that i say this whitepaper plus the press releases would be used to influence the public opinion about peer to peer traffic. but to say that this study is worth the paper (it will hopefully never be printed on) would be extremely exaggerated. how credible do you think your whitepaper will be seen as you are selling dpi solutions as well? not that i say this whitepaper plus the press releases would be used to influence the public opinion about peer to peer traffic.
but to say that this study is worth the paper (it will hopefully never be printed on) would be extremely exaggerated.

]]> By: Frank Stummer http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6290 Frank Stummer Thu, 29 Jan 2009 16:30:28 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6290 That is an argument I hear very often. It is true: I wouldn’t close a shop just because one of the customers steals. But a P2P network is not a shop. A shopkeeper would bear the costs of stealing (and would insure it), not the manufacturer of the stolen items. In P2P networks, the copyright owners are directly hurt (and can not insure it). And everyone knows: Illegal file sharing is not the minor portion of all P2P traffic. lolotux, I agree that a complete blocking of all P2P should not be the solution for a whole country. A university or an enterprise can enforce such a policy (and in fact, many are doing so -- but often with open channels for legal file sharing with white lists of BitTorrent trackers). The white paper is discussing the option of blocking <strong>only encrypted P2P</strong> to have the chance to prevent illegitimate (and detectable) file sharing in unencrypted P2P. That is an argument I hear very often. It is true: I wouldn’t close a shop just because one of the customers steals. But a P2P network is not a shop. A shopkeeper would bear the costs of stealing (and would insure it), not the manufacturer of the stolen items. In P2P networks, the copyright owners are directly hurt (and can not insure it). And everyone knows: Illegal file sharing is not the minor portion of all P2P traffic.

lolotux, I agree that a complete blocking of all P2P should not be the solution for a whole country. A university or an enterprise can enforce such a policy (and in fact, many are doing so — but often with open channels for legal file sharing with white lists of BitTorrent trackers). The white paper is discussing the option of blocking only encrypted P2P to have the chance to prevent illegitimate (and detectable) file sharing in unencrypted P2P.

]]> By: lolotux http://blog.ipoque.com/2009/01/copyrights-and-the-internet/#comment-6260 lolotux Thu, 29 Jan 2009 12:02:44 +0000 http://blog.ipoque.com/?p=216#comment-6260 And what do you think about people rights to download some legals files with P2P ? If P2P is completely blocked, it's an illegal hurt of their rights too ! Did you close shop, because one of clients steel ? Stupid Idea ! A French touch ! And what do you think about people rights to download some legals files with P2P ?
If P2P is completely blocked, it’s an illegal hurt of their rights too !
Did you close shop, because one of clients steel ? Stupid Idea !

A French touch !

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